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		<title>By: The benefits of TDD: Why TDD? (part 3) — Scrumology Pty Ltd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The benefits of TDD: Why TDD? (part 3) — Scrumology Pty Ltd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Practices SignupSubscribeThe benefits of TDD: Why TDD? (part 3)by Kane on April 15, 2010[Update: Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3] Photo Credit: EivindwIf you have already read the previous two posts on Test [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Practices SignupSubscribeThe benefits of TDD: Why TDD? (part 3)by Kane on April 15, 2010[Update: Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3] Photo Credit: EivindwIf you have already read the previous two posts on Test [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GA</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The benefits of TDD (part 2) &#124; Scrumology Pty Ltd</title>
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		<dc:creator>The benefits of TDD (part 2) &#124; Scrumology Pty Ltd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kane on March 16, 2010   ShareThe benefits of TDD (part 2)In part 1 of this three part series I looked at the evidence supporting Test Driven Development (TDD). In [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scrumology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrumology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;. So, I&#039;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there&lt;br&gt;&gt; to be had.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like to think that I&#039;m a rational person. And when presented with the data, I base my behavior and decision making on the data that&#039;s presented rather than my beliefs. To do otherwise is irrational. What concerns me is that TDD has been practiced for well over 10 years ... and yet there is still no conclusive data on the benefits of TDD (with the exception of the reduction of defects). Nor is there a multitude of data points to show a clear trend.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so ultimately I&#039;d have to agree. I think the real problem that I&#039;m trying to address here is that there are no well designed studies on TDD, and there is very, very little data from which to draw meaningful conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>&gt;. So, I&#39;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there<br />&gt; to be had.</p>
<p>I like to think that I&#39;m a rational person. And when presented with the data, I base my behavior and decision making on the data that&#39;s presented rather than my beliefs. To do otherwise is irrational. What concerns me is that TDD has been practiced for well over 10 years &#8230; and yet there is still no conclusive data on the benefits of TDD (with the exception of the reduction of defects). Nor is there a multitude of data points to show a clear trend.</p>
<p>The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so ultimately I&#39;d have to agree. I think the real problem that I&#39;m trying to address here is that there are no well designed studies on TDD, and there is very, very little data from which to draw meaningful conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrumology</title>
		<link>http://scrumology.com/the-benefits-of-tdd-are-neither-clear-nor-are-they-immediately-apparent/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrumology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;. So, I&#039;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there&lt;br&gt;&gt; to be had.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like to think that I&#039;m a rational person. And when presented with the data, I base my behavior and decision making on the data that&#039;s presented rather than my beliefs. To do otherwise is irrational. What concerns me is that TDD has been practiced for well over 10 years ... and yet there is still no conclusive data on the benefits of TDD (with the exception of the reduction of defects). Nor is there a multitude of data points to show a clear trend.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so ultimately I&#039;d have to agree. I think the real problem that I&#039;m trying to address here is that there are no well designed studies on TDD, and there is very, very little data from which to draw meaningful conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>&gt;. So, I&#39;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there<br />&gt; to be had.</p>
<p>I like to think that I&#39;m a rational person. And when presented with the data, I base my behavior and decision making on the data that&#39;s presented rather than my beliefs. To do otherwise is irrational. What concerns me is that TDD has been practiced for well over 10 years &#8230; and yet there is still no conclusive data on the benefits of TDD (with the exception of the reduction of defects). Nor is there a multitude of data points to show a clear trend.</p>
<p>The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so ultimately I&#39;d have to agree. I think the real problem that I&#39;m trying to address here is that there are no well designed studies on TDD, and there is very, very little data from which to draw meaningful conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewshort</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthewshort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what a study of junior professionals would show, using a control group of junior people working in the field without TDD and another with TDD.  Years working with the specific codebase needs to be weighed in as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My personal experience shows that TDD helps provide self-direction and self-guidance for less experienced programmers, thereby increasing their productivity.  I don&#039;t really see any productivity impact with seasoned programmers.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Companies with highly leveraged models might be interested in the findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what a study of junior professionals would show, using a control group of junior people working in the field without TDD and another with TDD.  Years working with the specific codebase needs to be weighed in as well.</p>
<p>My personal experience shows that TDD helps provide self-direction and self-guidance for less experienced programmers, thereby increasing their productivity.  I don&#39;t really see any productivity impact with seasoned programmers.  </p>
<p>Companies with highly leveraged models might be interested in the findings.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ferguson Smart</title>
		<link>http://scrumology.com/the-benefits-of-tdd-are-neither-clear-nor-are-they-immediately-apparent/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ferguson Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kane,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nice article. I&#039;ve read those studies too, and I globally agree with your assessment of what they say. However, I find these studies seem to go against my gut feeling and practical experience with TDD - when you get into a good TDD flow, it just *feels* more productive. And there are less bugs to fix. Studies are hard - these ones were with teams that were new to TDD, and didn&#039;t take into account maintenance costs over time, so I wonder if they give the whole picture of the benefits of TDD. I find, and I&#039;ve heard from other TDDers, that the extremely low number of bugs that get through to production has a huge impact on maintenance costs. And, as you rightly imply, there are the overall quality aspects too, that are hard to quantify: executable documentation, safer changes, etc. So, I&#039;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there to be had.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Cheers,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;John Ferguson Smart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kane,</p>
<p>Nice article. I&#39;ve read those studies too, and I globally agree with your assessment of what they say. However, I find these studies seem to go against my gut feeling and practical experience with TDD &#8211; when you get into a good TDD flow, it just *feels* more productive. And there are less bugs to fix. Studies are hard &#8211; these ones were with teams that were new to TDD, and didn&#39;t take into account maintenance costs over time, so I wonder if they give the whole picture of the benefits of TDD. I find, and I&#39;ve heard from other TDDers, that the extremely low number of bugs that get through to production has a huge impact on maintenance costs. And, as you rightly imply, there are the overall quality aspects too, that are hard to quantify: executable documentation, safer changes, etc. So, I&#39;d like to see more studies on this, but my experience and intuition still tells me that the benefits are there to be had.</p>
<p>- Cheers,</p>
<p>John Ferguson Smart</p>
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