Since this interview was recorded, there has been an interesting debate of the Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe). In order to better understand the SAFe framework, well known and respect Scrum Trainer Ron Jeffries attended a SAFe training course. Ron Jeffries wrote about his experience in this blog post. Although Ron has his reservations with SAFe, his respect for Alan is quite clear:
His Agile values and approaches are quite good. That meant that his sections of the lectures, and his answers about what he’d do in real cases, shifted the balance from what I believe we’d have gotten from the other instructor alone.
Al responded with a well reasoned and thoughtful reply.
… I do not agree the best way to achieve scale is always by getting the teams working well. As with most things, an approach depends upon the situation you are in. If the types of projects you are working on don’t require teams of more than 30-50 folks, I’d probably take Ron’s approach, because SAFe is likely too big for them. But many projects are too big or complex to unwind. In this case, looking at the big picture and getting teams to deliver in 2-week cycles may be the right approach.
This is a short interview, because I goofed and stopped recording after about 30 minutes. Even though the recording ends abruptly, I thought the start of the interview very interesting and worth sharing. Here it is: